Mixing troop types doesn't seem to pan out well.

It's completely screwed, compare your Lvl 4's to this one. Essentially you need a few lancers to wave a red flag at them and a few bowyers to call their mother names.

I think we need to figure out how the quipamayoc (sergeants/officers) effect things and what amount of them to use, as it's presumably important (1 for each 5 or 6 troops would make sense in terms of modern combat).

Kurgar vs Barbarians

02:00 (7 minutes ago) in: [452:530] Hachik Polok

Victory!

Kurgar gained an overwhelming victory on the battlefield

Troops
Kurgar

[Tenoc] Tenochtitlan

Holcan Lancer
(0 / 19)

Polom
(95 / 95)

Shaman
(98 / 100)

Quipucamayoc
(79 / 79)

Holcan Bowman
(188 / 236)

Atlatl Hunter
(266 / 266)

Eagle Warrior
(20 / 20)

Total: 815 units

Casualties: 69 units

Can be healed: 6 units

vs

Barbarians

Wall (10)
0 / 79,729

Spy
(0 / 5)

Holcan Lancer
(0 / 510)

Shaman
(0 / 5)

Quipucamayoc
(0 / 5)

Pochteca
(0 / 4)

Holcan Bowman
(0 / 168)

Atlatl Hunter
(0 / 5)

Eagle Warrior
(0 / 1)

Jaguar Warrior
(0 / 1)

Total: 705 units

Casualties: 705 units

Can be healed: 82 units

Round details

Attacker Kurgar
Defender Barbarians

Round 1
766 units
23 units

Round 2
746 units
0 units

Results

The battle ended after 2 rounds and with 774 casualties.

Winner: Kurgar

The army of the attacker Kurgar has pillaged Hachik Polok [452:530]

Original cargo: 236,410

Booty: 74,334 52,358 36,242

I'm getting too lazy to edit out the spaces, so they'll have to fix reports so we can link them. Anyway, more smart guys changes things



Troops

Kurgar

[Tenoc] Tenochtitlan

Holcan Lancer

(0 / 22)

Polom

(95 / 95)

Shaman

(98 / 98)

Quipucamayoc

(81 / 81)

Holcan Bowman

(170 / 192)

Atlatl Hunter

(271 / 271)

Eagle Warrior

(20 / 20)

Total: 779 units

Casualties: 44 units

Can be healed: 3 units

vs

Barbarians

Wall (10)

0 / 79,729

Spy

(0 / 5)

Holcan Lancer

(0 / 510)

Shaman

(0 / 5)

Quipucamayoc

(0 / 5)

Pochteca

(0 / 4)

Holcan Bowman

(0 / 168)

Atlatl Hunter

(0 / 5)

Eagle Warrior

(0 / 1)

Jaguar Warrior

(0 / 1)

Total: 705 units

Casualties: 705 units

Can be healed: 56 units

Round details

Attacker Kurgar
Defender Barbarians




Round 1
735 units
20 units


Round 2
735 units
0 units

Results

The battle ended after 2 rounds and with 749 casualties.

Winner: Kurgar

The army of the attacker Kurgar has pillaged Aantik Chowakil [442:507]

Original cargo: 235,490

Booty: 74,334 52,358 36,242

Kurgar vs Barbarians

04:47 (11 minutes ago) in: [465:513] Choop Bon

Victory!

Kurgar gained an overwhelming victory on the battlefield

Troops

Kurgar

[Tenoc] Tenochtitlan

Holcan Lancer

(0 / 1)

Polom

(88 / 95)

Shaman

(100 / 100)

Quipucamayoc

(100 / 100)

Holcan Bowman

(78 / 172)

Atlatl Hunter

(264 / 271)

Eagle Warrior

(20 / 20)

Total: 759 units

Casualties: 109 units

Can be healed: 8 units

vs

Barbarians

Wall (10)

0 / 79,729

Spy

(0 / 5)

Holcan Lancer

(0 / 510)

Shaman

(0 / 5)

Quipucamayoc

(0 / 5)

Pochteca

(0 / 4)

Holcan Bowman

(0 / 168)

Atlatl Hunter

(0 / 5)

Eagle Warrior

(0 / 1)

Jaguar Warrior

(0 / 1)

Total: 705 units

Casualties: 705 units

Can be healed: 77 units

Round details

Attacker Kurgar
Defender Barbarians




Round 1
677 units
66 units


Round 2
650 units
0 units

Results

The battle ended after 2 rounds and with 814 casualties.

Winner: Kurgar

The army of the attacker Kurgar has pillaged Choop Bon [465:513]

Original cargo: 213,640

Booty: 74,334 52,358 36,242

I like that they put a certain amount of randomness in, but the difference in results from one attack to the next suggests they should either a) reduce it b) explain in reports how lucky/unlucky we got or c) check they put their brackets in the right places.

We are well aware of these issues, our team is working on a new battle system as we speak so you can expect to hear news on that area rather soon, and randomness is definitively going to be reduced. As soon as new version of the battle system is out, we plan on making public a complete battle system guide so everyone will get full transparency on how these are calculated. It's coming.

Thanks, I don't mind (and would likely welcome) the randomness, if it were understood. I was looking forward to developing my Stele to positively change things (sometimes ). A more clearly understood battle system will be most welcome. As it stands, I see references to battle rounds, but after 3 weeks of the server, no battle report has ever had more than a single round.

I just had a lvl 5 barb battle with a second round, I lost 9 hunters and the barbs had 11 unspecified units left. Could use more info there...

Quote from Mahoutsoukai

I just had a lvl 5 barb battle with a second round, I lost 9 hunters and the barbs had 11 unspecified units left. Could use more info there...

I think that, for some reason, you need to have some Spies in your battle with you to obtain specific information as to what types of units are left alive in a Barbarian's forces.

Quote from Mahoutsoukai

I just had a lvl 5 barb battle with a second round, I lost 9 hunters and the barbs had 11 unspecified units left. Could use more info there...

That should normally not happen, where did you see the 11 "unspecified" units? Would you mind posting a picture of the report?

Quote from Furry

I think that, for some reason, you need to have some Spies in your battle with you to obtain specific information as to what types of units are left alive in a Barbarian's forces.

That would be incorrect, unless there is a bug we are unaware of, the only factor is whether your troops resist at least one round in battle; if they do both parties should have their troops fully visible.

Thanks for the correction, M0H0. I appreciate it.
Question, though; will the bug be present within the future Combat Update?

Quote from Furry

Thanks for the correction, M0H0. I appreciate it.
Question, though; will the bug be present within the future Combat Update?

To answer that we would need to confirm first whether there is a bug in the first place To our knowledge this didn't use to happen, so it is not expected that it would be present in further updates, but we'd be happy if Mahoutsoukai could update us on that and give a bit more info/screenshots so we could investigate.