Banning players

    The problem this game is having, is that it is trying to be many, many types of game, but not really being good at any one type.

    It starterd as a pure individual one-on-one peer-vs-peer game, until it introduced tambos. Then it became team-vs-team or team-vs-peer or sime such combination. It tried to be a 'tribe' game, but started banning players when they played too efficiently as a 'tribe'.

    It is also marketed as 'Farmville' peer-vs-environment game, with barbarians and such.

    There are pro-barbarian servers, peace servers, war servers, and everything in between, but they all operate under the same mish mash of rules, so none of the various types are really satisfying.


    It tries to be a free-to-play game, that also tries to portend that you have to spend seripous cash to win, but there are many top tier players that spend very little. Thus, there is very little money for game development. All the proceedes go towards third-party infrastructure providers, some return for the two owners, and not much else.


    So now it is not really good at anything.

    When it introduced tambos, it should have gone full-fledged 'team' game. Each player in the team should be able to specialize. Some players concentrate on production, sending their resources to other players as needed. They build up huge resource production, spending all of their resources in this one area. Not even building troops, as they use troops from other members to attack barbarians. Other team members would specialize in troops, building up Jaguar Temples and research and such, to maximixe troop recruitment. They would get resources from the producers. Other team members would specialize in attacks. They would build up medicine, espinage, and the Itzamna temple, along with the attack support buildings and research, and many levels of the tambo. Still others would specialize in espianage and spying, keeping a good record of other team's efforts and strengths. In this way, the game would develop strong teams with specialized players, just like on a real sport team. Then, it would be a competitive game. Good team leaders would become very crucial, and team co-ordination would determine winning teams from losing teams.

    But the developers do not want to go in this direction, and they want to ban players who do. They want to protect the game from strong team effort, so individual lone players can have a chance. So they try to make it an individual performance game by banning players who work together too well. But as soon as other players can send resources to other players and troops to a tambo, it presents all kinds of problems in trying to prevent it from becoming an all out team game. If the developers want to prevent multiple accounts, then they need to get rid of resource sharing and tambos, not try to use 'banning' as an inefficient patch. If they want it to be a team game, then allow multiple accounts but limit team (tribe) membership, the way sports teams limit the number of players a team can have on their roster. So what if all ten (for instance) players on one team are the same person, a strong team with ten specialized experienced players can probably beat them, as ten heads and ten computers are better than one. But if all teams are restricted to just ten players, it levels the field without needing to 'ban' players for 'avoiding' the rules.

    As it is, it is not really a satisfying game to anyone, except the slash-and-burn bully-and-insult players. Players are always complaining about 'the players who want to play the OTHER way' and trying to get the other player banned for playing 'that way' becomes the main strategy for many players - the last player not banned wins.

    je suis sur le serveur international https://int54.tentlan.com/overview les troupe sont a 100%

    1. Tu aimerais pouvoir jouer à une version plus d'étendue et moins agressive de Tentlan ? Alors le nouveau serveur de paix international est fait pour toi : 100 % des unités peuvent être soignées, le transfert de troupes est désactivé, une protection face aux joueurs les plus forts plus stricte, serveur à vitesse x4, et bien plus encore !
    2. sa me fait bien rire les attaques en groupe ne sont désactivées et il y en un même qui joue avec plusieurs comptes faciles à repérer il se connecte en même temps.
    3. mais comme sa arrange les proprios ? qui sont 'il ? il y a quand même plus de 80 serveur de pays diffèrent avec au moins 20 serveur actif par pays plus les internationales compter a peux près un pagnier moyen de 30 joueur avec 10 a 20 euro par mois et faite le calcul.
    4. mis comme citer plus haut les admin bannisse ce qui les arrange.

    Who are the owners? Here it is expressly stated




    https://en.tentlan.com/imprint?hl=en-US

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    je suis sur le serveur international https://int54.tentlan.com/overview les troupe sont a 100%

    1. Tu aimerais pouvoir jouer à une version plus d'étendue et moins agressive de Tentlan ? Alors le nouveau serveur de paix international est fait pour toi : 100 % des unités peuvent être soignées, le transfert de troupes est désactivé, une protection face aux joueurs les plus forts plus stricte, serveur à vitesse x4, et bien plus encore !
    2. sa me fait bien rire les attaques en groupe ne sont désactivées et il y en un même qui joue avec plusieurs comptes faciles à repérer il se connecte en même temps.
    3. mais comme sa arrange les proprios ? qui sont 'il ? il y a quand même plus de 80 serveur de pays diffèrent avec au moins 20 serveur actif par pays plus les internationales compter a peux près un pagnier moyen de 30 joueur avec 10 a 20 euro par mois et faite le calcul.
    4. mis comme citer plus haut les admin bannisse ce qui les arrange.

    The servers are numbered sequentially as they are activated. You mentioned the new server int54. Server int41started over a year ago. 13 servers between them. Check the int numbers on the servers that were just merged. They cover some of those 13 servers. Less than one a month. Some of those 13 servers are the newly merged servers, as well. Some of the coutrry servers have less than ten active servers, some of them merged servers, and no recent startups. Do the math, but on the correct numbers.

    GramPa Pat, what matters who the owners are? They worked for Gameforge, then made their own company, I don't see any problem with that. If you doubt the company's goals, yes, it was created for profit https://prnt.sc/jZopoO78UjtZ


    If I remember correctly, you also were under protection on int52, so I don't understand what you're fighting for. Please excuse me if I'm mistaking you with anyone else, I think you were in tribe 666.


    All I want is to restore Ramos' account because there is no reason to ban him. Yeah, I also want to know who thinks he's above the rules of the game and can ban players just because of his words. But I think I already know that. So all I want is to restore Ramos' account.

    On all servers I've played before there were banned players, but I never had any information about communication with the admins, most naively I believed that if someone was banned, he broke the rules of the game. But here on this server (int53 / Tequisquiapan) I have seen that this is not the situation, that players are banned because of reports and then eventually checks are made.

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    GramPa Pat, what matters who the owners are? They worked for Gameforge, then made their own company, I don't see any problem with that. If you doubt the company's goals, yes, it was created for profit https://prnt.sc/jZopoO78UjtZ


    If I remember correctly, you also were under protection on int52, so I don't understand what you're fighting for. Please excuse me if I'm mistaking you with anyone else, I think you were in tribe 666.


    All I want is to restore Ramos' account because there is no reason to ban him. Yeah, I also want to know who thinks he's above the rules of the game and can ban players just because of his words. But I think I already know that. So all I want is to restore Ramos' account.

    Phoenixdix asked about the owners.

    I have never been under attack protection, I have never spent a dime on the game. Not on any server. No I have never been in tribe 666. I have never been on int52. You are obviously confusing me with another player.


    There is very little rhyme or reason as to what the two owners do on this game. It is my impression that they are just tired of the whole mess. It seems that there are just the two of them now, doing everything (the chat rooms and game infrastructure are outsourced to third party server farms and such, it appears). The bottom line - I don't think they really care about Ramos or anyone else - they are just dabbling in the administration of the game, pretending to care. They only seem to be active on the handful of the most recently started servers. The rest I do not think they monitor at all.

    First time playing on a server where there is so much fear, denunciations, direct threats. All the dirt of Tentlan's "top players" surfaces here. These people want so much to be on top of the game in the virtual world that they don't even understand that it's not the victory is important, but the way you fight.

    The case is closed. After several days of silence, the support team finally answered that the account would not be restored. It is not clear what are the reasons for the ban.


    Request to administrators:

    1. when you ban, send an email with a copy of the logs of the violations for which the ban is

    2. If you are banning for sending resources, send an email with a reasonable time frame for the resources to be restored. If this deadline is not met, then place a ban. Of course, attach a copy of the logs again

    3. Please, do not put a ban just because of the words of people who are afraid of fighting armies and so they fight in other ways.

    AL final soporte pierde desde hoy ningun jugador de la primera pagina ya compra proteccion ya que no hay una amenaza hace 1 semana casi todos estaban obligados a comprarla y la respuesta nunca son claras solo nos banean por quejas aver si no me banean en estos dias nuevamente por reclamos


    moho para tener jugadores que gasten un buen nivel de dinero nos necesitas a nosotros sino tendras solo servidores de paz eterna en el cuan solo se compraran bencicones y píedras ambar para ver quien tiene mas ciudades

    I am not very clear on your "logs" thing. But hopefully you don't suggest them to show you their backdoor informations to prove to you that you cheated in any way or break some rules.

    Firstly, i like your idea about warning and returning the resources since might be a violation of the rules and you have certain time to get your resources sent back. And if you sent billions and the other player can't return, then you should know better i guess.


    About the logs and proving to you that you broke rules..

    Breaking rules is mostly up to their decision and personal thinking. Like i've said, when is a warning and when is a ban? At what amount of resources for example? 10 billions... 1...?
    The log thing... i heard it all over the games, from grepolis, to seafight, to whatever online happens and wherever the game is against cheaters. And no, no company would and will provide and prove you cheated, especially with their logs, because then you can learn how to trick their system. So if you expect log informations, you might be dreaming.

    They might be counting your clicks, your repeats, your logging hours, many things and why would they be dumb enough to tell you? You wouldn't tell them either if you have multi account, or bots or whatever to give you an advantage


    I've seen your third argument at a few people in different forms. And is completly right, then let's ALL do something about it.
    Appoint some people invested in the game, without breaking the rules obviously, let's make some rule or rules, present the extra rule to the administrators, make people vote for it, to agree to it bla bla. Because if only 3 people keep yelling, obviously they will not even open the edit page to add the rule to the game

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    I am not very clear on your "logs" thing. But hopefully you don't suggest them to show you their backdoor informations to prove to you that you cheated in any way or break some rules.


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    And no, no company would and will provide and prove you cheated, especially with their logs, because then you can learn how to trick their system. So if you expect log informations, you might be dreaming.


    No, I'm not dreaming. This should be happening now, not a ban because of the words of vip-players...


    And no, I won't learn how to abuse from the logs the admins provide as proof. Don't worry, they're smart enough.


    But this discussion is already pointless. If the admins want they will make the right decision and change the process so that it is fair for all players and not fulfill the unfair wishes of the vip players.

    Y'allz Are Entirely Absurd

    Banning occurs when rules are broken

    You can send any amount of RES to any player on the server (other than your 'other' account)

    Man i had to buckle in for this ride

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    vous pouvez toujours courir et demander que les joueurs sois bannis ! le modérateur bannissent en fonction de leur humeur et des personnes à qui ils veulent faire plaisir. j 'en ai eu la preuves sur deux serveur je pourrais même dirent qu'il joue et si vous jouer mieux qu'eux il s'arrange pour vous modérer.